Curse

Young_Anakin · Jul 08, 2005, 10:41 PM // 22:41

Well I'm posting about all the " Running people to Draknor's Forge 3k here 3k there " you know what I mean. It's not just in Beacons Perch where this is happening. People are doing this for Temple of ages, Pikens Square, and it seems like EVERYWHERE. If they can run somewhere then they want to charge people for taking them there. This GREED I'm seeing lately is just sickening and it makes me want to turn All Chat off FOR-GOOD. As a lvl 20 W/Mo I would take time out of my day to go around and help random people who weren't as far as me. Its sad to see this has changed and everyone is making you pay. A level 20 invites you to a party and your thinking..." Wow! what a nice guy this is awsome. I'm going to get to this next area EASY now.." well...then you see he's charging you 500 gold to get you to Gates of Kryta! and you flipping explode on him for being a greedy -----. I see that its a good way to make money, but at what COST? It's getting to be as bad as the trade channel. There needs to be a fix to this. I don't know what they could do to fix this but the only suggestion that I can come up with would be to not allow players to party with a max level character in CERTAIN AREAS unless they were from the same guild as you. This is just my own little suggestion and I don't like it but what else can be done?

Aniewiel · Jul 08, 2005, 10:47 PM // 22:47

Sad to say, if people have too much money and are dumb enough to pay, this will never end.

However, I have also seen the "anti runner" runners who speak out saying, "Will run you to {insert location here} FOR FREE! Do NOT pay for the trip!"

I always offer to 'run' people places for free. It's one of the ways I'm keeping things "fresh" for my ascended, finished-the-game Me/Mo.

Ultimate_Gaara · Jul 08, 2005, 10:50 PM // 22:50

I prefer to play the game it is meant to be played, with skill and not being rushed everywhere... but if people want to go and blow money on rushes to a place so people can laugh at their low level and tell them to go back to pre-searing, so be it I just dont want to hear any complaints about "why cant a lvl 8 find a group around here" because thats just a stupid question

Aniewiel · Jul 08, 2005, 10:53 PM // 22:53

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Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara

I just dont want to hear any complaints about "why cant a lvl 8 find a group around here" because thats just a stupid question

LOL!

quanzong · Jul 08, 2005, 11:10 PM // 23:10

One thing I dont like is when people say they will rush you and leave right away. And they ran off with your money!

Nairo · Jul 08, 2005, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by quanzong

One thing I dont like is when people say they will rush you and leave right away. And they ran off with your money!

*Points to Aniewiel's post.*

As said before, as long as people have money, and they're stupid/gullible enough, this will ALWAYS happen.

Xonic · Jul 08, 2005, 11:41 PM // 23:41

Hi Ultimate_Gaara

Aracos79 · Jul 08, 2005, 11:45 PM // 23:45

I second the OP. This kind of stuff makes me sick. I spent an hour in Ascalon City last night running people to Piken for free just to piss off the people charging for the service. And Forge running is simply the worst offense. Play the game the way it's meant to be played people. And to head off the rebuttals... yes money is part of the game, but its purpose is NOT to allow you to skip entire sections of the game.

wheel · Jul 09, 2005, 12:03 AM // 00:03

To summarize my feelings on this subject, I will reference my Droknar's Forge Rushing FAQ thread.

wheel · Jul 09, 2005, 12:10 AM // 00:10

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Originally Posted by Aracos79

Play the game the way it's meant to be played people. And to head off the rebuttals... yes money is part of the game, but its purpose is NOT to allow you to skip entire sections of the game.

How is the game meant to be played? I would counter your woefully inept argument by saying that if the devs meant for the pass never to be run, they would not have spent money developing the pass from Beacon's Perch to Droknar's Forge in the first place. Players who are still rushed still have to complete the storyline to ascend, capture certain skills, change their secondary profession, and complete the +15 attribute quests, so it's not like they get rushed to Droknar's Forge and skip over Kryta completely. Forcing the players to go the storyline first without allowing them the option for paying for a rush is something I would expect from other games. Guild Wars is supposed to have less grind, not more, and forcing players to go through a linear plotline for 2, 3, 4 times even when the player doesn't want to do PvE at ALL is pure grind.

Janos Harr · Jul 09, 2005, 12:14 AM // 00:14

You know, I just wanna say that this is an offered ''service'' that you personally have the option of using or not. I myself like the fact that people offer to do this. Reason being? I have a lvl 20 Warrior & Monk already. Now, I want to start a Mesmer and I don't really feel like going through the trouble of waiting my new character is lvl 15-20 before getting Forge armor. What reason do I have not to let some other lvl 20 have a measly 3k? Money's not an issue to me, but time is. 3k to have forge armor on a lvl 10 or below? Worth it.

Just my $.02

Jon Snow · Jul 09, 2005, 12:26 AM // 00:26

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Originally Posted by quanzong

One thing I dont like is when people say they will rush you and leave right away. And they ran off with your money!

Call me crazy, but I would NEVER pay up front. There is a very good chance that you will be ripped off, because anyone who is charging for rushes is obviously in it for the money, not the sheer joy of sprinting through the shiverpeaks for 30 minutes.

Also, here's some advice if you do decide to pay for a forge rush: although the rusher doesn't *have* to be a W/Mo to complete the run, it's much more difficult with other configurations. For example, when you see a level 15 necromancer charging 3k up front for rushes to the forge, you should probably be slightly suspicious.

(and yes, I really saw a level 15 necromancer pull that scam successfully, despite my clear warnings to her customers that she had zero chance of completing the run.)

Young_Anakin · Jul 09, 2005, 01:15 AM // 01:15

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Originally Posted by Janos Harr

You know, I just wanna say that this is an offered ''service'' that you personally have the option of using or not. I myself like the fact that people offer to do this. Reason being? I have a lvl 20 Warrior & Monk already. Now, I want to start a Mesmer and I don't really feel like going through the trouble of waiting my new character is lvl 15-20 before getting Forge armor. What reason do I have not to let some other lvl 20 have a measly 3k? Money's not an issue to me, but time is. 3k to have forge armor on a lvl 10 or below? Worth it.

Just my $.02

This is an offered service but its getting out of hand. You shouldn't have to pay someone to take you somewhere in the first place. Almost everytime I go somewhere now and try to get a group going I get some whacko who wants to rush us through for a certain amount of gold.

Odd Sock · Jul 09, 2005, 02:03 AM // 02:03

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

Sad to say, if people have too much money and are dumb enough to pay, this will never end.

Hey man I beat PvE twice already and I made a third character just for skill unlocks. Yea I'm rich but I'm not dumb. What's dumb is not paying 3k, not gettnig high level armor and actually replaying the same beaten horse another time. I just want to breeze through the missions since I already beat them more than I have to. All I want are the skills, who cares about anyone who cheats or exploits PvE ? Even gold and botters, yay ? Gold doesn't do you any good after a while except maybe grow your E-Peen.

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

However, I have also seen the "anti runner" runners who speak out saying, "Will run you to {insert location here} FOR FREE! Do NOT pay for the trip!"

Good for him, he's wasting his time being the good guy. We all know good guys finish last. Instead of remaking another character and unlocking skills and items, he's grinding people for fun. Either masochistic or dumb, still unsure what to brand this person though

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

I always offer to 'run' people places for free. It's one of the ways I'm keeping things "fresh" for my ascended, finished-the-game Me/Mo.

Reference to above quote

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Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara

I prefer to play the game it is meant to be played, with skill and not being rushed everywhere...

It takes skill to finish the game ? Wow Firestorm and Lava Font take alot of wit to pull off.

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Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara

but if people want to go and blow money on rushes to a place so people can laugh at their low level and tell them to go back to pre-searing

You're missing the point. Getting someone to run you to Droknar's is so you can have highest level armor and good skills, then go back to do Gates of Kryta and breeze through the game with no difficulty cause you already did it once or twice.

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Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara

so be it I just dont want to hear any complaints about "why cant a lvl 8 find a group around here" because thats just a stupid question

First of all, no one cares about you not wanting to hear this and that. Second of all I've never seen this in any missions and people who actually would do that, I'll have to agree, are dumb.

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Originally Posted by Aracos79

Play the game the way it's meant to be played people. And to head off the rebuttals... yes money is part of the game, but its purpose is NOT to allow you to skip entire sections of the game.

This game also wasn't supposed to have grind but it does. I won lots of Sigil and I'm rich so it's my way to balance things out. Good armor and skills make this game a breeze. If you don't want to get runned then that's your problem, have fun beating the same AI over and over again.

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Originally Posted by Young_Anakin

This is an offered service but its getting out of hand. You shouldn't have to pay someone to take you somewhere in the first place. Almost everytime I go somewhere now and try to get a group going I get some whacko who wants to rush us through for a certain amount of gold.

Turn off your local chat. Wasn't that hard ? It's not getting out of hand, it's not like it's detrimental to the game. Explain to me how someone who gets rushed diminishes your GW experience ?

wheel · Jul 09, 2005, 03:48 AM // 03:48

odd sock has hit the nail right on the head. droknar's rushes wouldn't happen if there was no grind in the game, and players who only want to play pvp shouldn't be forced to grind to play "how the devs intended"

Ultimate_Gaara · Jul 09, 2005, 07:59 AM // 07:59

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Originally Posted by Odd Sock

It takes skill to finish the game ? Wow Firestorm and Lava Font take alot of wit to pull off.

You're missing the point. Getting someone to run you to Droknar's is so you can have highest level armor and good skills, then go back to do Gates of Kryta and breeze through the game with no difficulty cause you already did it once or twice.

Well my group for the last mission had no ele, and i had a smart group so we had mean strats, but nice try anyways

Well i find the game easy with out super good armor, its not that hard without getting rushed, ive already beat the game once and im doing it again with out being rushed... why would someone play $56.99 just to play the game once? but then again i cant expect everyone to make the most out of a game like i do.. it just seems rushers didnt look at the box before they bought the game so they never expected it would take time and skill.. thats always a shame

Aaaaagh · Jul 09, 2005, 08:48 AM // 08:48

Its a service, if you want it fine. If you dont fine. Think about it like real life..there are 1000's of services I would laugh at, pay to you set up my internet connection? Are you nucking futs? But, its not like Im going to get all upset about it, alot of people pay to have their internet set up. Alot of people pay to be rushed to Droks and other places...

Fantus · Jul 09, 2005, 08:59 AM // 08:59

I don't mind people advertising their services as long as they use the TRADE channel to do that - because that is what it's made for. Why people can't use appropriate channels for their talking is simply beyond me. I have to admit that I get angry if I see "business talking" cluttering up the local chat.

Ultimate_Gaara · Jul 09, 2005, 09:02 AM // 09:02

Ya that would be nice, but i dont think ive ever seen them use the trade channal.. maybe some day

The Pope · Jul 09, 2005, 09:08 AM // 09:08

If people want to get rushed to forge, have money and are willing to pay then they will get run. There is nothing sanctimonious self righteous whiners can do about it.